Susan Burton, EMPTY

Susan Burton, EMPTY

Susan Burton's memoir, Empty, is one of my favorite recent books. I'm really excited to share our conversation which we had at the beginning of the pandemic. Now it feels like a lifetime ago! Susan is an editor at This American Life on where the episodes she has produced include "Ten Sessions," "Five Women," and "Tell Me I'm Fat.” Her writing has appeared in the New York Times Magazine, Slate, The New Yorker, and others. Empty is the story of Susan’s secret eating disorders, both anorexia and binge eating disorder, that defined her adolescence and adulthood. We talked about her book becoming both a confession about the painful secrets she had been living with and sharing her story as a means of recovery and connection. Our interview was the first one she had done and she meaningfully shed light on habits and compulsions, how we hide our turmoil, and the road to sharing ourselves with the people closest to us.

Susan Burton, EMPTY

Susan Burton, EMPTY

Susan: Empty tell the story of the eating disorders, both anorexia and binge eating disorder, that defined my adolescence and really my adulthood too, though I wasn't able to admit that until I was in my forties. What happened was, almost a decade ago I signed a contract to write a book that was meant to intertwine the story of my adolescence with a cultural history of teenage girlhood. I'd always been really drawn to mythology of the teenage years ever since I was a Seventeen magazine-obsessed middle schooler in 1980s Michigan. I started writing that book, marching along through the cultural history. Midway through the first draft, my eating disorders just took over the narrative. I was paralyzed. I'd never told anybody about the binge eating. It was a secret I'd been keeping since my adolescence. I'd kept it even from my husband. We met when we were seventeen. I didn't know what to do. For years, literally for years, I kept trying to write the book I'd committed to, the cultural history. I was too scared to write about eating disorders for a bunch of reasons, but in large part because to do honestly would force me to admit that they'd never really gone away, that my obsession with food still defined my life. I was no longer bingeing, but my life was definitely still organized around food. The thing was, I really wanted to write about them. It felt urgent and unresolved. There was part of me that knew it was the story that I needed to tell. Eventually, with the encouragement of my editor who's really wonderful, I was able to just embrace that desire and stop denying what I wanted and write the book I wanted to write, which in a way is like a metaphor for eating disorder recovery itself.