"It's the deepest truth I know: life only gets harder if we're doing it right." Historian and New York Times bestselling author Kate Bowler joins Zibby to not only talk about the process of writing her new memoir, No Cure for Being Human, but what her journey has been like living with stage four colon cancer at such a young age. The two discuss how they each wrestle with finitude, why Kate is anti-bucket list, and what shape motherhood has taken in her life in the face of her chronic condition.