Zibby is once again joined by Malcolm Gladwell, this time to talk about his new audiobook Miracle and Wonder which covers forty hours of interviews he conducted with Paul Simon. The two talk about why some people would be happy to just create art for themselves even if no one sees it and the lessons Simon's career can offer younger generations. Malcolm also shares why he co-founded Pushkin to help enhance audiobook experiences, and what, in his opinion, is the secret to artistic longevity.