Zibby is joined by essayist, poet, and playwright José Vadi to discuss Inter State, his collection of essays about his relationship with his home state of California. José shares how he first found his way to writing and publication through his poetry, which projects he's worked on to document his grandfather's personal history, and what he is working on next. (For those who have listened to the episode: a heel flip is a maneuver in which you impart spin on your board using the heel of your front foot while doing an ollie, or lifting into the air without using your hands.)