Zibby is joined by author and editor Meghan O'Rourke to discuss her latest book, The Invisible Kingdom, which took her nearly a decade to write. The two talk about the three major problems with medicine that have made it so hard to diagnose chronic illnesses, particularly in women, as well as how Meghan wanted to portray her own invisible illness journey as hopeful without sugarcoating the truth. Meghan also shares how Covid has impacted the ways in which our culture approaches chronic illness, her experience as an editor at The New Yorker and Slate, and what project she's looking forward to working on next.